Discussion:
Remote Office Recommendation
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Dave W
2008-11-17 23:04:09 UTC
Permalink
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN (approximately 5
clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be roaming with the
SonicWALL global VPN client.

I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.

There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.

Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares. I
just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.

I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking any
of the SBS stuff because it works so well.

Any insights are greatly appreciated.

thanks
-dave

p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)
2008-11-17 23:22:17 UTC
Permalink
What do they need on the other site?
If just mail I agree no Domain hookup..
RPC over HTTPS for email (AKA outlook Anywhere)

If they need access to files,
How often, and how big.

On the remote site you still need to worry about Backing up Files
so a NAS or something like that with backups..

But it really depends IMO on what kind of data needs to be shared.

Even using the SharePoint site 2.0 or install 3.0 and configure might be an
option.

Russ
--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN (approximately 5
clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be roaming with the
SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares. I
just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking any
of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Les Connor
2008-11-17 23:50:00 UTC
Permalink
I bet they'll end up with an additional server at either the remote office
or the home office; I just hope they do it before they've spent that money x
times over in lost productivity and frustration ;-).

A file server (possibly a DC) at the remote office is good; possibly less
expensive than a TS box at the home office. But the TS box keeps the users
data at the home office - and also allows those roamers to us it. OTOH, a
WHS in the home office can keep a remote file server backed up on a daily
basis.

I'd push for the TS first, and if not that, then a file server at the remote
office.
--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]


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Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN (approximately 5
clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be roaming with the
SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares. I
just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking any
of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)
2008-11-18 00:09:22 UTC
Permalink
IMO either way you need someway for any data they have at the remote office
to be backed up.

I forgot to add
if money is an issue now and won't be later.
Microsoft does have financing
https://www.microsoftfinancing.com/

Russ
--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
Post by Les Connor
I bet they'll end up with an additional server at either the remote office
or the home office; I just hope they do it before they've spent that money
x times over in lost productivity and frustration ;-).
A file server (possibly a DC) at the remote office is good; possibly less
expensive than a TS box at the home office. But the TS box keeps the users
data at the home office - and also allows those roamers to us it. OTOH, a
WHS in the home office can keep a remote file server backed up on a daily
basis.
I'd push for the TS first, and if not that, then a file server at the
remote office.
--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]
____________________________
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN (approximately 5
clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be roaming with the
SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares. I
just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking any
of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
2008-11-18 00:58:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN (approximately 5
clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be roaming with the
SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy extra/idle
WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to access via RWW. Opening
files across a VPN client connection usually sucks, and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files, whatnot). The remote
office connected via VPN really ought to have its own DC, too, unless the
PCs there are not going to be joined to the domain. Authenticating over that
link to the main office DC is not a good setup.

I understand small business budgets, but repeat after me: "Things cost
money." ;-)

They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the remote office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares. I
just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you have a local DC.
And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them to the domain. I don't
know how comfortable you are with group policy...
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking any
of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can create your own
if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Dave W
2008-11-18 02:17:24 UTC
Permalink
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients.  There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN (approximately 5
clients).  The remaining 2-3 clients will be roaming with the
SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line.  My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow.  However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server.  He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy extra/idle
WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to access via RWW.  Opening
files across a VPN client connection usually sucks, and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files, whatnot).  The remote
office connected via VPN really ought to have its own DC, too, unless the
PCs there are not going to be joined to the domain. Authenticating over that
link to the main office DC is not a good setup.
I understand small business budgets, but repeat after me: "Things cost
money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the remote office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients?  I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares.  I
just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you have a local DC.
And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them to the domain. I don't
know how comfortable you are with group policy...
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect?  I tend to shy away from tweaking any
of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can create your own
if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.

I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......

Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.

If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting it up
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate a
directory?

I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because not many
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful but
couldn't justify the time sink/$.


On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm reluctant to
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do install
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after the
final comes out? I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know it's not
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal with the
impact since it's just me.


Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
2008-11-18 02:29:09 UTC
Permalink
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to access
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually sucks,
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files, whatnot). The
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own DC,
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the domain.
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a good
setup.
I understand small business budgets, but repeat after me: "Things
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the remote office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares.
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you have a
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them to the
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group policy...
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can create
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called TS. ;-)
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting it up
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate a
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could do a cheap &
cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks, though.
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because not many
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful but
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a useless liberal
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked by people
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm reluctant to
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do install
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after the
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However, IIRC the
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install it in a VM
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know it's not
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal with the
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows and Exchange
that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty safe to install it for
your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a huge SP will change a lot of
things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Daniel Jewel
2008-11-18 12:47:36 UTC
Permalink
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to access
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually sucks,
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files, whatnot). The
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own DC,
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the domain.
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a good
setup.
I understand small business budgets, but repeat after me: "Things
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the remote office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares.
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you have a
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them to the
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group policy...
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can create
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called TS. ;-)
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting it up
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate a
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could do a cheap
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks, though.
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because not many
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful but
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a useless liberal
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked by people
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm reluctant to
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do install
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after the
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However, IIRC the
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install it in a VM
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know it's not
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal with the
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows and
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty safe to
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a huge SP
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
2008-11-18 13:17:52 UTC
Permalink
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS 2003 R2 was developed

So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server 2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as well.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.

"Daniel Jewel" <***@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to access
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually sucks,
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files, whatnot). The
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own DC,
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the domain.
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a good
setup.
I understand small business budgets, but repeat after me: "Things
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the remote office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares.
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you have a
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them to the
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group policy...
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can create
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called TS. ;-)
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting it up
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate a
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could do a cheap
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks, though.
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because not many
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful but
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a useless liberal
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked by people
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm reluctant to
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do install
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after the
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However, IIRC the
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install it in a VM
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know it's not
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal with the
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows and
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty safe to
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a huge SP
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Daniel Jewel
2008-11-18 13:44:26 UTC
Permalink
Chris,
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a hot-to to get that working?
Thanks,
Dan
"Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]" <***@cpunospamservices.net> wrote in message news:***@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS 2003 R2 was developed

So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server 2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as well.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.

"Daniel Jewel" <***@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will host an
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote office
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain due to
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection will be
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote office save
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this will be
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to access
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually sucks,
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files, whatnot). The
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own DC,
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the domain.
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a good
setup.
I understand small business budgets, but repeat after me: "Things
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the remote office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office clients and
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using their
server username/password so they can access the common file shares.
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you have a
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them to the
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group policy...
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office clients in a
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from tweaking
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can create
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of the
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called TS. ;-)
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting it up
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate a
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could do a cheap
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks, though.
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because not many
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful but
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a useless liberal
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked by people
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm reluctant to
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do install
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after the
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However, IIRC the
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install it in a VM
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know it's not
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal with the
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows and
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty safe to
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a huge SP
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
2008-11-18 14:34:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniel Jewel
Chris,
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a hot-to to get that working?
Thanks,
Dan
Hmmm - it's pretty straightforward. You would need *two* W2003 servers, one
in the main office, next to your SBS box, & one in the remote office.

You've got Google, too, one hopes. ;-)
Post by Daniel Jewel
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS 2003 R2 was developed
So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server
2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as
well.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will
host an
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote
office
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain
due to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote
office save
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to
access
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually
sucks,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files,
whatnot). The
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own
DC,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the
domain.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a
good
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
setup.
"Things
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the
remote
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office
clients and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using
their
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
server username/password so they can access the common file
shares.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you
have a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them
to the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group
policy...
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office
clients in a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from
tweaking
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can
create
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called
TS. ;-)
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting
it up
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate
a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could
do a cheap
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks,
though.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because
not many
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful
but
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a
useless liberal
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked
by people
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm
reluctant to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do
install
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However,
IIRC the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install
it in a VM
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know
it's not
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal
with the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows
and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty
safe to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a
huge SP
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
2008-11-19 01:11:23 UTC
Permalink
Thanks for picking up my slack LW
I'm spending 4 wonderful days in the Windy City in an IBM websphere class...how I'm supposed to respond to posts like that... :-)
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
Post by Daniel Jewel
Chris,
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a hot-to to get that working?
Thanks,
Dan
Hmmm - it's pretty straightforward. You would need *two* W2003 servers, one
in the main office, next to your SBS box, & one in the remote office.

You've got Google, too, one hopes. ;-)
Post by Daniel Jewel
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS 2003 R2 was developed
So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server
2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as
well.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will
host an
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote
office
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain
due to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote
office save
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to
access
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually
sucks,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files,
whatnot). The
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own
DC,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the
domain.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a
good
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
setup.
"Things
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the
remote
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office
clients and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using
their
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
server username/password so they can access the common file
shares.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you
have a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them
to the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group
policy...
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office
clients in a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from
tweaking
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can
create
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called
TS. ;-)
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting
it up
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate
a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could
do a cheap
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks,
though.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because
not many
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful
but
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a
useless liberal
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked
by people
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm
reluctant to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do
install
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However,
IIRC the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install
it in a VM
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know
it's not
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal
with the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows
and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty
safe to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a
huge SP
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Dave W
2008-11-19 01:34:53 UTC
Permalink
On Nov 18, 6:11 pm, "Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]"
Post by Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Thanks for picking up my slack LW
I'm spending 4 wonderful days in the Windy City in an IBM websphere class...how I'm supposed to respond to posts like that... :-)
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashedhttp://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
  > Chris,
  > Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a
  > hot-to to get that working?
  > Thanks,
  > Dan
  Hmmm - it's pretty straightforward. You would need *two* W2003 servers, one
  in the main office, next to your SBS box, & one in the remote office.
  You've got Google, too, one hopes. ;-)
  >   That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS
  > 2003 R2 was developed
  >
  >   So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server
  > 2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as
  > well.
  >
  >   --
  >   Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
  >   Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
  >
  >http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
  >   Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
  >   A Microsoft Registered Partner
  >   ------------------------------------
  >   MVPs do not work for Microsoft
  >   Please do not submit questions directly to me.
  >
  >     Lan,
  >     Please help me understand it a bit better...
  >     Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
  >     Dan
  >
  >     "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
  > in message
  >     >> On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
  >     >>>> I am starting a new installation where the main office will
  > host an
  >     >>>> SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote
  > office
  >     >>>> that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
  >     >>>> (approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
  >     >>>> roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain
  > due to
  >     >>>> performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection
  > will be
  >     >>>> sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote
  > office save
  >     >>>> their office docs on the main office server. He knows this
  > will be
  >     >>>> slower than normal.
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
  >     >>>
  >     >>> Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
  >     >>> extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to
  > access
  >     >>> via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually
  > sucks,
  >     >>> and it's not just
  >     >>> speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files,
  > whatnot). The
  >     >>> remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own
  > DC,
  >     >>> too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the
  > domain.
  >     >>> Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a
  > good
  >     >>> setup.
  >     >>>
  > "Things
  >     >>> cost money." ;-)
  >     >>>
  >     >>> They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the
  > remote
  >     >>> office.
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office
  > clients and
  >     >>>> roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using
  > their
  >     >>>> server username/password so they can access the common file
  > shares.
  >     >>>> I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
  >     >>>
  >     >>> My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you
  > have a
  >     >>> local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them
  > to the
  >     >>> domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group
  > policy...
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office
  > clients in a
  >     >>>> state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from
  > tweaking
  >     >>>> any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
  >     >>>
  >     >>> I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can
  > create
  >     >>> your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> Any insights are greatly appreciated.
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> thanks
  >     >>>> -dave
  >     >>>
  >     >>>> p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of
  > the
  >     >>>> domain will work fine.
  >     >>>
  >     >>> Yes, that's correct.
  >     >>
  >     >> Great advice guys.  Thanks very much.
  >     >>
  >     >> I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
  >     >
  >     > A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called
  > TS. ;-)
  >     >>
  >     >> Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
  >     >
  >     > It isn't just speed!
  >     >>
  >     >> If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting
  > it up
  >     >> as a backup DC is not a big deal.  Is it possible to replicate
  > a
  >     >> directory?
  >     >
  >     > Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could
  > do a cheap
  >     > & cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks,
  > though.
  >     >>
  >     >> I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because
  > not many
  >     >> SBS companies need that expertise.  I know it would be useful
  > but
  >     >> couldn't justify the time sink/$.
  >     >
  >     > Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a
  > useless liberal
  >     > arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked
  > by people
  >     > with strings of initials in their sigs.
  >     >>
  >     >>
  >     >> On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008.  I'm
  > reluctant to
  >     >> install it in our home office until it's fully baked.  If I do
  > install
  >     >> it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after
  > the
  >     >> final comes out?
  >     >
  >     > I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However,
  > IIRC the
  >     > MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install
  > it in a VM
  >     > if you want to play with it without commitment.
  >     >
  >     >> I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
  >     >> months.  However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008.  I know
  > it's not
  >     >> wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal
  > with the
  >     >> impact since it's just me.
  >     >
  >     > I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows
  > and
  >     > Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty
  > safe to
  >     > install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a
  > huge SP
  >     > will change a lot of things.
  >     >>
  >     >>
  >     >> Thanks again for all the great advice.
  >     >> -dave
  >     >
  >     >
  >     >
Just bought your book (pre-order at least). Thanks for all the great
info.
Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)
2008-11-19 02:12:48 UTC
Permalink
Cris when is your book released? BTW?
(I think I asked but forgot.)

Russ
--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Dave W" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e87b57a5-3d1b-4721-9f38-***@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 18, 6:11 pm, "Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]"
Post by Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Thanks for picking up my slack LW
I'm spending 4 wonderful days in the Windy City in an IBM websphere
class...how I'm supposed to respond to posts like that... :-)
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008
Unleashedhttp://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Daniel Jewel
Chris,
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a
hot-to to get that working?
Thanks,
Dan
Hmmm - it's pretty straightforward. You would need *two* W2003 servers, one
in the main office, next to your SBS box, & one in the remote office.
You've got Google, too, one hopes. ;-)
Post by Daniel Jewel
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS
2003 R2 was developed
So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server
2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as
well.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will
host an
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote
office
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain
due to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote
office save
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to
access
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually
sucks,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files,
whatnot). The
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own
DC,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the
domain.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a
good
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
setup.
"Things
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the
remote
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office
clients and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using
their
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
server username/password so they can access the common file
shares.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you
have a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them
to the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group
policy...
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office
clients in a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from
tweaking
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can
create
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called
TS. ;-)
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting
it up
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate
a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could
do a cheap
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks,
though.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because
not many
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful
but
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a
useless liberal
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked
by people
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm
reluctant to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do
install
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However,
IIRC the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install
it in a VM
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know
it's not
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal
with the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows
and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty
safe to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a
huge SP
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Just bought your book (pre-order at least). Thanks for all the great
info.
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
2008-11-19 02:26:25 UTC
Permalink
First of all, it's not my book. I don't have near that kind of time.
Eriq Neale is the Author, just as he was for the SBS 2003 Unleashed book.
Many of the other MVPs have contributed chapters, just as I did.
It is expected that the book will be available around mid December.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.

"Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)" <***@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message news:%***@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Cris when is your book released? BTW?
(I think I asked but forgot.)

Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Dave W" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e87b57a5-3d1b-4721-9f38-***@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 18, 6:11 pm, "Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]"
Post by Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Thanks for picking up my slack LW
I'm spending 4 wonderful days in the Windy City in an IBM websphere
class...how I'm supposed to respond to posts like that... :-)
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008
Unleashedhttp://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Daniel Jewel
Chris,
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a
hot-to to get that working?
Thanks,
Dan
Hmmm - it's pretty straightforward. You would need *two* W2003 servers, one
in the main office, next to your SBS box, & one in the remote office.
You've got Google, too, one hopes. ;-)
Post by Daniel Jewel
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS
2003 R2 was developed
So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server
2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as
well.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will
host an
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote
office
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain
due to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote
office save
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to
access
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually
sucks,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files,
whatnot). The
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own
DC,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the
domain.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a
good
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
setup.
"Things
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the
remote
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
office.
Post by Dave W
Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office
clients and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using
their
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
server username/password so they can access the common file
shares.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you
have a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them
to the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group
policy...
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office
clients in a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from
tweaking
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can
create
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
Post by Dave W
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called
TS. ;-)
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting
it up
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate
a
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could
do a cheap
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks,
though.
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because
not many
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful
but
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a
useless liberal
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked
by people
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm
reluctant to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do
install
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after
the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However,
IIRC the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install
it in a VM
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know
it's not
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal
with the
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows
and
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty
safe to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a
huge SP
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Just bought your book (pre-order at least). Thanks for all the great
info.
Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)
2008-11-19 03:04:48 UTC
Permalink
OK Before Charlie's
I hope you get a cut anyway :)

Russ
--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]" <***@cpunospamservices.net> wrote in message news:***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
First of all, it's not my book. I don't have near that kind of time.
Eriq Neale is the Author, just as he was for the SBS 2003 Unleashed book.
Many of the other MVPs have contributed chapters, just as I did.
It is expected that the book will be available around mid December.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.

"Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)" <***@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message news:%***@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Cris when is your book released? BTW?
(I think I asked but forgot.)

Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Dave W" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e87b57a5-3d1b-4721-9f38-***@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 18, 6:11 pm, "Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]"
Post by Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Thanks for picking up my slack LW
I'm spending 4 wonderful days in the Windy City in an IBM websphere
class...how I'm supposed to respond to posts like that... :-)
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008
Unleashedhttp://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Daniel Jewel
Chris,
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the issue? Or perhaps a
hot-to to get that working?
Thanks,
Dan
Hmmm - it's pretty straightforward. You would need *two* W2003 servers, one
in the main office, next to your SBS box, & one in the remote office.
You've got Google, too, one hopes. ;-)
Post by Daniel Jewel
That piece of Windows Server 2003 R2 was not included when the SBS
2003 R2 was developed
So if you want DFS-R ability, you have to have a standard Server
2003 R2 next to the SBS server and then at the remote location as
well.
--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672...
Owner, CPU Services, Belleville, IL
A Microsoft Registered Partner
------------------------------------
MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.
Lan,
Please help me understand it a bit better...
Why does DFS not work with SBS ?
Dan
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
On Nov 17, 5:58 pm, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
I am starting a new installation where the main office will
host an
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
SBS 2003 R2 server for 13 clients. There is another remote
office
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
that will be connected via SonicWALL site to site VPN
(approximately 5 clients). The remaining 2-3 clients will be
roaming with the SonicWALL global VPN client.
I'm hesitant to put the remote office machines on the domain
due to
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
performance over a 1.5/800 DSL line. My Docs redirection
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
sloooooow. However, the owner wants to have the remote
office save
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
their office docs on the main office server. He knows this
will be
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Dave W
slower than normal.
There is no budget for a terminal server at this time.
Unfortunately, that's your best option, unless he wants to buy
extra/idle WinXP boxen in the main office for these users to
access
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
via RWW. Opening files across a VPN client connection usually
sucks,
Post by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
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and it's not just
speed - you can end up losing data (updates to files,
whatnot). The
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remote office connected via VPN really ought to have its own
DC,
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too, unless the PCs there are not going to be joined to the
domain.
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Authenticating over that link to the main office DC is not a
good
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setup.
"Things
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cost money." ;-)
They could save some cash if they got thin clients for the
remote
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office.
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Any recommendation on how to handle the remote office
clients and
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roaming clients? I think they can still map a drive using
their
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server username/password so they can access the common file
shares.
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I just don't want folder redirection to add to their pain.
My advice? Don't join them to the domain at all unless you
have a
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local DC. And don't redirect their data if you *do* join them
to the
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domain. I don't know how comfortable you are with group
policy...
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I assume I can tweak the GPO and put the remote office
clients in a
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state where they don't redirect? I tend to shy away from
tweaking
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any of the SBS stuff because it works so well.
I don't use the built in policies for redirection. You can
create
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your own if you're comfortable - same with OU creation.
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Any insights are greatly appreciated.
thanks
-dave
p.s. according to trend, roaming clients that aren't part of
the
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domain will work fine.
Yes, that's correct.
Great advice guys. Thanks very much.
I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet but......
A magic bullet? There is one. But it costs money. It's called
TS. ;-)
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Luckily, I've set the expectations on speed up front.
It isn't just speed!
If I were to set up a member server remotely, I assume setting
it up
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as a backup DC is not a big deal. Is it possible to replicate
a
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directory?
Yes. However, I don't think you can use DFS with SBS. You could
do a cheap
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& cheerful robocopy mirror via a batch file/ scheduled tasks,
though.
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I punched out of my MCSE when it got to the AD stuff because
not many
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SBS companies need that expertise. I know it would be useful
but
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couldn't justify the time sink/$.
Eh. That doesn't mean much. I don't have an MCSE; I have a
useless liberal
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arts degree. And a lot of the most inane NG questions are asked
by people
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with strings of initials in their sigs.
On a different note, my Action Pack sent SBS 2008. I'm
reluctant to
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install it in our home office until it's fully baked. If I do
install
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it, is it safe to assume I'll have to re-do the install after
the
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final comes out?
I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. However,
IIRC the
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MAPS copy is for testing only - so big whoop. You could install
it in a VM
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if you want to play with it without commitment.
I never run stuff until it's out for at least 6
months. However, I'd like to jump in on SBS 2008. I know
it's not
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wise to run pre-release in production but I'm willing to deal
with the
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impact since it's just me.
I understand. Sowever, since SBS comprises versions of Windows
and
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Exchange that have been out for a while, it's probably pretty
safe to
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install it for your own lab/testing purposes without fearing a
huge SP
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will change a lot of things.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
-dave
Just bought your book (pre-order at least). Thanks for all the great
info.
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