Discussion:
Microsoft Windows Storage Server 2003
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Reiper
2004-10-07 22:26:37 UTC
Permalink
My current SBS 2003 server is running great but is limited to a total of 72
GB of hard drive space (3-36 GB SCSI drives in a Raid 5 configuration). Due
to space limitations I tried to use an XP machine as a files server but
quickly discovered the 10 user limit (have about 16 users). I was wondering
if implementing a NAS device running Microsoft Windows Storage Server 2003
might be a solution (besides getting a new server and going through the
hassle of reinstalling SBS 2003) and if it will coexist with SBS 2003?
Thanks!!
Henry Craven
2004-10-08 02:27:41 UTC
Permalink
Have you looked into DFS ?
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
My current SBS 2003 server is running great but is limited to a total of 72
GB of hard drive space (3-36 GB SCSI drives in a Raid 5
configuration). Due
Post by Reiper
to space limitations I tried to use an XP machine as a files server but
quickly discovered the 10 user limit (have about 16 users). I was wondering
if implementing a NAS device running Microsoft Windows Storage Server 2003
might be a solution (besides getting a new server and going through the
hassle of reinstalling SBS 2003) and if it will coexist with SBS 2003?
Thanks!!
Reiper
2004-10-08 04:33:05 UTC
Permalink
Hi Henry and Merv,

I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)... I
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one folder
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My problem
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a new
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I didn't
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and installed XP
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver. That
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the XP
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using DFS
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a NAS box.

As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives into
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space this
option sounds rather expensive.

However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the earlier
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions would
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying to avoid
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is the
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks again!!
Post by Henry Craven
Have you looked into DFS ?
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
My current SBS 2003 server is running great but is limited to a total
of 72
Post by Reiper
GB of hard drive space (3-36 GB SCSI drives in a Raid 5
configuration). Due
Post by Reiper
to space limitations I tried to use an XP machine as a files server
but
Post by Reiper
quickly discovered the 10 user limit (have about 16 users). I was
wondering
Post by Reiper
if implementing a NAS device running Microsoft Windows Storage Server
2003
Post by Reiper
might be a solution (besides getting a new server and going through
the
Post by Reiper
hassle of reinstalling SBS 2003) and if it will coexist with SBS 2003?
Thanks!!
Henry Craven
2004-10-08 05:52:51 UTC
Permalink
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear as
the Server Share transparently.

Have a readup on it.

Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp

Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html

Distributed File System (DFS):
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc

Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp

Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx

DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp

...amongst others.

AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer for
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)...
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one folder
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My problem
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a new
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I didn't
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and installed XP
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the XP
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using DFS
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a NAS box.
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives into
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space this
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the earlier
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions would
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying to avoid
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is the
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks again!!
Reiper
2004-10-08 13:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Hi Henry,

Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS server
would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS. However, how
does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP Machine)? Does it appear to
be only one connection from the server or are the clients truely being
redirected to the XP Machine which would again violate the 10 connection
limit?

Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear as
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer for
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)...
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Reiper
2004-10-08 13:26:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Henry,

Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and gotten
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP Machine)?
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear as
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer for
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)...
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
2004-10-08 14:19:11 UTC
Permalink
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it as
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a member
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The cost
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.

http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and gotten
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP Machine)?
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear as
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer for
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)...
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Reiper
2004-10-08 19:18:27 UTC
Permalink
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist on
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it as
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a member
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The cost
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP Machine)?
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear as
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)...
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
2004-10-08 20:30:34 UTC
Permalink
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for user
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or DEVICE)
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.

The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.

Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx

How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist on
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it as
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a member
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The cost
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP Machine)?
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear as
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)...
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Reiper
2004-10-08 21:12:46 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Merv,
I checked out DFS and even tested it out but the XP machine still sees the
user who is accessing the share (net session) and not the redirect from the
server. So my guess is even though users are being redirected through the
server, the XP machine will still see the users coming in and hit the 10
user cap. Therefore it looks like I either do what you say or add the NAS
device (I assume Windows Storage Server will coexist on an SBS network).
Thanks Again and Again! :)
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for user
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or DEVICE)
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.
The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.
Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx
How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist
on
Post by Reiper
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a
member
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The
cost
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP
Machine)?
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file
system)...
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into
one
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I
bought
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration.
I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the
fileserver.
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use
the
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive
space
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm
trying
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Henry Craven
2004-10-09 01:31:41 UTC
Permalink
Have you actually joined that XP Machine to the SBS Domain ?
It looks strange to me. 10 connections is the limit in a Peer2Peer
network,
I've not seen it in a Windows AD Domain environment.
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Thanks Merv,
I checked out DFS and even tested it out but the XP machine still sees the
user who is accessing the share (net session) and not the redirect from the
server. So my guess is even though users are being redirected through the
server, the XP machine will still see the users coming in and hit the 10
user cap. Therefore it looks like I either do what you say or add the NAS
device (I assume Windows Storage Server will coexist on an SBS
network).
Post by Reiper
Thanks Again and Again! :)
Reiper
2004-10-09 03:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Henry, I wish you were right, that way I wouldn't have to come up w/ another
answer. This article discusses it
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;314882 but never mentions p2p or
domain... I understand this limitation in a p2p network as that is the
intention of a server environment however once you get into a domain
environment I agree that it shouldn't matter! Thanks again for your help, I
can say I've learned something today (regarding DFS) !
Post by Henry Craven
Have you actually joined that XP Machine to the SBS Domain ?
It looks strange to me. 10 connections is the limit in a Peer2Peer
network,
I've not seen it in a Windows AD Domain environment.
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Thanks Merv,
I checked out DFS and even tested it out but the XP machine still
sees the
Post by Reiper
user who is accessing the share (net session) and not the redirect
from the
Post by Reiper
server. So my guess is even though users are being redirected through
the
Post by Reiper
server, the XP machine will still see the users coming in and hit the
10
Post by Reiper
user cap. Therefore it looks like I either do what you say or add the
NAS
Post by Reiper
device (I assume Windows Storage Server will coexist on an SBS
network).
Post by Reiper
Thanks Again and Again! :)
Henry Craven
2004-10-09 04:35:27 UTC
Permalink
Interesting.
I would have thought that:
~~~~
The connection limit refers to the number of redirector-based
connections and is enforced for any file, print, named pipe, or mail
slot session. The TCP connection limit is not enforced, but it may be
bound by legal agreement to not permit more than 10 clients.
~~~
Applies here as the SBServer is doing the connecting for DFS and the
Multiplexer for the Workstations.

Thoroughly intrigued now....
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Henry, I wish you were right, that way I wouldn't have to come up w/ another
answer. This article discusses it
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;314882 but never mentions p2p or
domain... I understand this limitation in a p2p network as that is the
intention of a server environment however once you get into a domain
environment I agree that it shouldn't matter! Thanks again for your help, I
can say I've learned something today (regarding DFS) !
Reiper
2004-10-09 04:53:02 UTC
Permalink
So am I but you're starting to go over my head... Let me know if you find
anything out! Thanks!
Post by Henry Craven
Interesting.
~~~~
The connection limit refers to the number of redirector-based
connections and is enforced for any file, print, named pipe, or mail
slot session. The TCP connection limit is not enforced, but it may be
bound by legal agreement to not permit more than 10 clients.
~~~
Applies here as the SBServer is doing the connecting for DFS and the
Multiplexer for the Workstations.
Thoroughly intrigued now....
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Henry, I wish you were right, that way I wouldn't have to come up w/
another
Post by Reiper
answer. This article discusses it
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;314882 but never mentions
p2p or
Post by Reiper
domain... I understand this limitation in a p2p network as that is
the
Post by Reiper
intention of a server environment however once you get into a domain
environment I agree that it shouldn't matter! Thanks again for your
help, I
Post by Reiper
can say I've learned something today (regarding DFS) !
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
2004-10-09 13:34:43 UTC
Permalink
Found this on a Google search...

www.microsoft.com/windows2000/docs/dfsnew.doc
Connections
Since Dfs allows workstations and servers to participate equally as junction
points, a Windows NT workstation only allows only 10 clients to connect to
it. This means that a share on a Windows NT workstation published in Dfs
cannot be accessed once 10 connections have been established to that
workstation (whether or not those connections use the private Dfs).
Stand-alone servers do not have this limitation. Only Windows NT Server can
host a Dfs root, but any share or volume accessible through the network can
participate in the Dfs name space.
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So am I but you're starting to go over my head... Let me know if you find
anything out! Thanks!
Post by Henry Craven
Interesting.
~~~~
The connection limit refers to the number of redirector-based
connections and is enforced for any file, print, named pipe, or mail
slot session. The TCP connection limit is not enforced, but it may be
bound by legal agreement to not permit more than 10 clients.
~~~
Applies here as the SBServer is doing the connecting for DFS and the
Multiplexer for the Workstations.
Thoroughly intrigued now....
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Henry, I wish you were right, that way I wouldn't have to come up w/
another
Post by Reiper
answer. This article discusses it
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;314882 but never mentions
p2p or
Post by Reiper
domain... I understand this limitation in a p2p network as that is
the
Post by Reiper
intention of a server environment however once you get into a domain
environment I agree that it shouldn't matter! Thanks again for your
help, I
Post by Reiper
can say I've learned something today (regarding DFS) !
Henry Craven
2004-10-09 15:36:08 UTC
Permalink
Well that's that then.
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Found this on a Google search...
www.microsoft.com/windows2000/docs/dfsnew.doc
Connections
Since Dfs allows workstations and servers to participate equally as junction
points, a Windows NT workstation only allows only 10 clients to connect to
it. This means that a share on a Windows NT workstation published in Dfs
cannot be accessed once 10 connections have been established to that
workstation (whether or not those connections use the private Dfs).
Stand-alone servers do not have this limitation. Only Windows NT Server can
host a Dfs root, but any share or volume accessible through the network can
participate in the Dfs name space.
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Reiper
2004-10-09 15:52:11 UTC
Permalink
I was wondering the same thing...
Post by Henry Craven
Well that's that then.
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Found this on a Google search...
www.microsoft.com/windows2000/docs/dfsnew.doc
Connections
Since Dfs allows workstations and servers to participate equally as
junction
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
points, a Windows NT workstation only allows only 10 clients to
connect to
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
it. This means that a share on a Windows NT workstation published in
Dfs
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
cannot be accessed once 10 connections have been established to that
workstation (whether or not those connections use the private Dfs).
Stand-alone servers do not have this limitation. Only Windows NT
Server can
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
host a Dfs root, but any share or volume accessible through the
network can
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
participate in the Dfs name space.
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Reiper
2004-10-08 21:28:48 UTC
Permalink
Merv,

Looking at your links it talks about joining a Windows Server to an SBS
environment by joining the domain. In my case can you set up the Windows
2003 Server computer like normal (setting the licensing mode as described in
the KB article) and then use the connectcomputer URL similar to adding an XP
or 2000 machine into an SBS 2003 environment?

Hopefully the last question! Thanks
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for user
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or DEVICE)
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.
The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.
Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx
How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist
on
Post by Reiper
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a
member
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The
cost
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP
Machine)?
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file
system)...
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into
one
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I
bought
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration.
I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the
fileserver.
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use
the
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive
space
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm
trying
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
2004-10-08 22:54:33 UTC
Permalink
Yep. That should do it.

A little extra from Les Connor...
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=eRS5JjXJEHA.2464%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Merv,
Looking at your links it talks about joining a Windows Server to an SBS
environment by joining the domain. In my case can you set up the Windows
2003 Server computer like normal (setting the licensing mode as described in
the KB article) and then use the connectcomputer URL similar to adding an XP
or 2000 machine into an SBS 2003 environment?
Hopefully the last question! Thanks
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for user
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or DEVICE)
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.
The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.
Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist
on
Post by Reiper
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a
member
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The
cost
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP
Machine)?
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file
system)...
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into
one
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I
bought
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration.
I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the
fileserver.
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use
the
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive
space
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm
trying
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Dirk-Thomas Brown
2004-10-08 23:57:19 UTC
Permalink
BTW: As I recall your new member server will eat a client license. Possibly
also one license for your AV product should you put the product on said
server.. and you should...

Dirk-Thomas
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for user
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or DEVICE)
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.
The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.
Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx
How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist
on
Post by Reiper
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a
member
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The
cost
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP
Machine)?
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file
system)...
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into
one
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I
bought
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration.
I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the
fileserver.
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use
the
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive
space
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm
trying
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
2004-10-09 01:24:07 UTC
Permalink
Good point. 20 CALs just became 19.
===============================
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
BTW: As I recall your new member server will eat a client license. Possibly
also one license for your AV product should you put the product on said
server.. and you should...
Dirk-Thomas
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for user
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or DEVICE)
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.
The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.
Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003 would
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will coexist
on
Post by Reiper
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install it
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a
member
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The
cost
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10, to
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP
Machine)?
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are the
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would again
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it appear
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file
system)...
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into
one
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
folder
Post by Reiper
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
problem
Post by Reiper
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I
bought
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
new
Post by Reiper
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration.
I
didn't
Post by Reiper
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
Post by Reiper
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the
fileserver.
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
That
Post by Reiper
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use
the
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
XP
Post by Reiper
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using
DFS
Post by Reiper
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need
a
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
NAS box.
Post by Reiper
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives
into
Post by Reiper
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive
space
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
this
Post by Reiper
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
Post by Reiper
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions
would
Post by Reiper
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm
trying
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
to avoid
Post by Reiper
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
Post by Reiper
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
Reiper
2004-10-09 03:33:01 UTC
Permalink
Very true... NAS product is looking better all the time, plus it would be a
new toy to add to my collection!
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Good point. 20 CALs just became 19.
===============================
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
BTW: As I recall your new member server will eat a client license.
Possibly
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
also one license for your AV product should you put the product on said
server.. and you should...
Dirk-Thomas
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Yep. Normally additional servers require their own separate CALs for
user
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
access. With SBS 2003, the SBS CALs (including the Type: USER or
DEVICE)
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
cover access to any Windows servers in the SBS domain.
The following explains the general procedure for adding servers to the
network and setting up CALs licensing on those server.
Adding a Server to Your Small Business Server 2000 Network
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/products/Servers/SmallBusinessServer/AddingServersToYourSBS2000Network.aspx
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
How to configure licensing on an additional Windows server in an SBS network
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327644
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
So if I understand you correctly the 20 licenses I have on SBS 2003
would
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
carry over to the Windows Server 2003 (fileserver), and they will
coexist
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
on
Post by Reiper
the same network (leaving the SBS as the PDC). Sound right?
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Another option is to buy Win2003 server (or Win2000 server), install
it
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
the operating system on the current WinXP machine and set it up as a member
server (file and print server). Your SBS 2003 CALs cover access a
member
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
server, so all you need is the Windows server license and media. The
cost
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
would be about $600 for the full retail version with media.
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wise20stwi5c.html
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Sorry, posted before I read below your links... Thanks, this sounds
promising. Has anyone out there tried to do what I'm attempting and
gotten
Post by Reiper
it to work (as far as "redirecting" multiple clients, more than 10,
to
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
shares on a single XP machine)?
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry,
Ok, did a little more reading on it last night... Sounds like the SBS
server would redirect incomming requests to the fileserver using DFS.
However, how does the connection looke to the fileserver (XP
Machine)?
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Does it appear to be only one connection from the server or are
the
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
clients truely being redirected to the XP Machine which would
again
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
violate the 10 connection limit?
Thanks Again!
Post by Henry Craven
DFS allows you to store data on remote machines and have it
appear
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
as
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Server Share transparently.
Have a readup on it.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/fileandprint/dfssteps.asp
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Windows 2003 DFS (Distributed File System)
http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Windows2003-Distributed-File-System.html
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Best Practices and Troubleshooting Guide
http://web.mit.edu/redelson/www/msdocs/doc-ppt/dfsbp.doc
Distributed File System
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/dfsnew.asp
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
Distributed File System and File Replication Services
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/fileandprint/file/dfs/default.mspx
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
DFS Technical Reference
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techref/en-us/W2K3TR_dfs_intro.asp
Post by Dirk-Thomas Brown
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
...amongst others.
AFAIK The 10 User connection limit for Peer Connections on XP Pro
shouldn't affect you as the Server would be DFS Root and Multiplexer
for
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
the Individual Domain Client Connections to the XPpro Links .
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
Post by Reiper
Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file
system)...
Post by Reiper
Post by Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
Post by Reiper
Post by Reiper
Post by Henry Craven
I
Post by Reiper
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares
into
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one
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folder
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so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not...
My
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problem
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started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I
bought
a
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new
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computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration.
I
didn't
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want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and
installed XP
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Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the
fileserver.
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That
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is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can
use
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the
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XP
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machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by
using
DFS
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(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I
need
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a
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NAS box.
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As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the
drives
into
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HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive
space
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this
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option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the
earlier
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posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other
suggestions
would
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be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm
trying
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to avoid
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reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is
the
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cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks
again!!
John Harris
2004-10-29 21:40:01 UTC
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External Storage Arrays are probably the easiest and one of the cheapest to
implement.

They range in size from something like Dell's options
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/das?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

to these ones from Accusys
http://www.accusys.com.tw/Acuta/Acuta_web.html

and many above, below and in between.

My personal preference is for the likes of the Dell (all the major server
manufacturers have these types of devices). You can also find plenty of
these on E-Bay but be very careful who you deal with. Personally I only
deal with people who have a rating of 98% or better and have at least 500+
trades. I have never been ripped off using these rules, even from this
distance! Here is the area you need to go into:
http://computers.listings.ebay.com/Storage-Equipment-NAS-SAN_Other-Storage-Equipment_W0QQfromZR4QQsacategoryZ11209QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsosortorderZ2QQsosortpropertyZ2
--
John Harris (Harry)
Computer Troubleshooters - Hornby
Christchurch
New Zealand
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Hi Henry and Merv,
I've not heard of DFS (I assume you mean distributed file system)... I
looked it up and the way I understand it, it puts all shares into one folder
so they're easier to find? I don't know if that helps or not... My problem
started when we ran out of space on our SBS 2003 server so I bought a new
computer that has 2-250GB hard drives in a Raid 1 configuration. I didn't
want to redo the server so I left the existing server as is and installed XP
Professional on the new computer thinking it would be the fileserver.
That
is when I ran into the 10 user limitation... So unless I can use the XP
machine as the files server and bypass the 10 user limitation by using DFS
(which I don't quite understand??) I'm thinking this is why I need a NAS box.
As for adding external SCSI drives I'm assuming I would put the drives into
HD enclosures??? And since I'm looking for over 300GB of drive space this
option sounds rather expensive.
However, that is why I'm here... Looking for great advice like the earlier
posts. So please expand on these suggestions or any other suggestions would
be greatly appreciated. (Please keep in mind though that I'm trying to avoid
reloading SBS 2003 as reloading SBS on the new computer probably is the
cheapest solution but considerably more time demanding). Thanks again!!
Post by Henry Craven
Have you looked into DFS ?
--
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
Melbourne Australia
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My current SBS 2003 server is running great but is limited to a total
of 72
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GB of hard drive space (3-36 GB SCSI drives in a Raid 5
configuration). Due
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to space limitations I tried to use an XP machine as a files server
but
Post by Reiper
quickly discovered the 10 user limit (have about 16 users). I was
wondering
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if implementing a NAS device running Microsoft Windows Storage Server
2003
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might be a solution (besides getting a new server and going through
the
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hassle of reinstalling SBS 2003) and if it will coexist with SBS 2003?
Thanks!!
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
2004-10-08 02:36:43 UTC
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Add external SCSI hard drive(s) to the server?
--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
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My current SBS 2003 server is running great but is limited to a total of 72
GB of hard drive space (3-36 GB SCSI drives in a Raid 5 configuration).
Due
Post by Reiper
to space limitations I tried to use an XP machine as a files server but
quickly discovered the 10 user limit (have about 16 users). I was wondering
if implementing a NAS device running Microsoft Windows Storage Server 2003
might be a solution (besides getting a new server and going through the
hassle of reinstalling SBS 2003) and if it will coexist with SBS 2003?
Thanks!!
Andrew H
2004-10-08 07:57:22 UTC
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Assuming you're limited to 3 internal drives, you might want to see if your
RAID controller allows you to migrate the storage to larger drives - yank
the plug on one of your trio of drives, replace it with a larger internal
SCSI drive, and let the RAID system rebuild itself. Repeat until all three
drives have been replaced. Then there's usually some procedure for either
adding the additional storage space to the existing volumes, or creating new
volumes.

Check your RAID controller documentation to see if it has this capability,
and for exact instructions.

SCSI drives seem to be available in 73Gb and 146Gb flavours lately - three
of those should hugely boost your capacity.
Post by Reiper
My current SBS 2003 server is running great but is limited to a total of
72 GB of hard drive space (3-36 GB SCSI drives in a Raid 5 configuration).
Due to space limitations I tried to use an XP machine as a files server
but quickly discovered the 10 user limit (have about 16 users). I was
wondering if implementing a NAS device running Microsoft Windows Storage
Server 2003 might be a solution (besides getting a new server and going
through the hassle of reinstalling SBS 2003) and if it will coexist with
SBS 2003? Thanks!!
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